D Kwhat they're saying in defense of this kinda humor is that white people should be able to make fun of white people who say racist things while still saying a racist thing... kind of an excuse to be racist. It's like an abuser making light of the abuse to a victim. not funny. Like · Reply · 13 hrs
D Kalso, the last thing you wanna hear when you want to go for a laugh if you and your family have been oppressed for generations on a daily basis, made fun of and had racist slurs hurled at you is to hear more white people using racist slurs again, even if in a hipster racist (ironic) comic context is still racist...there are hardly safe places to be as it is. More white people saying "come on..lighten up!" when it comes to your feelings of being abused is not a way you want to be entertained. Like · Reply · 13 hrs
Mel BlossomActually some people do want to be told to lighten up about their feelings and need to. How else is it going to go away if we don't lighten it up? Comedy clubs are not a place sensitive people that can't let others say things they might not want hear should go to be entertained. It's really that simple. I don't see horror movies because I think gore and violence is not entertaining but I'd never go on a rampage telling people to stop making them or watching them. I just don't go see them. It's not a way I process stuff, ya know? If laughing at "it" (whatever "It" is) isn't how you want to deal with it that's totally fine but to go mental on a comic for exploring issues in a way you don't like is telling people they have to deal with things the way you do.
White comics just happened to be on this show... any real comic of any race would defend Sarah's right to say that joke even if they don't like using racist jokes... comedy is about free speech before it even gets into people's feelings. Restricting what a comic can and can't say is like taking paint colors out of a painters pallet. And after all the comics like Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor, Bill Hicks, George Carlin, Joan Rivers, and more that have pushed the right to free speech forward... no comic of any color that understands the art is going to take the side of people that are taking a joke as if it was said as a serious statement. Bob Newhart got letters saying he was offensive! If you let worrying about offending people into your act you will quickly have no act. It is a bummer only white comics were booked on this show that night but they reflected opinions held across the racial board in comedy.
I don't enjoy hearing the outrageously mean fat girl jokes I've heard for years but they said on stage so it's fair game in my book. I don't have to go watch that guys stuff again. Obviously I'm probably not going to want to hang out with them. I wouldn't work with them out of choice BUT I'd never disrespect the craft and say they can't say those jokes. You have to let comics go in those dark places if they feel they want to on stage.
It's a sacred space created specifically to allow people to say the things their thinking... the catch is you need to try to present it in a funny way... that doesn't mean we succeed every time but Sarah's joke does succeed... it is a well crafted joke. She's playing the idiot that doesn't realize she's still being a racist when the last thing she said was that she doesn't want people to really think she's like that. It's called a left turn... the audience is being led to think she realized the racial slur was the biggest problem and instead she shows them all she understood was saying you hate people is wrong. It can be picked apart to a pretty deep commentary on how dumb we all are still are about racism.
And in the end even though the controversy I'm sure put her through a lot she didn't deserve or want to deal with.... I don't remember another incident in semi recent pop culture Chinese people had a chance to publicly scream so loud at anybody for the racism they endure. When people think about racism victims it's usually black people they think of when every non white group has horrific stories. That's another role of comedy... we rile you up, sit back and say "discuss". We break the ice and take a lot of slack for it but the truth is these things exist in our world and we should be talking about it, ya know? If it wasn't still an issue comics wouldn't talk about it which is why you hear no jokes about kerosene lamps being knocked over and the craziness that ensued but you might hear jokes about electricity going out and the craziness that led to. You make great points but it all does need to be kept in the context that it came from a comic not a leader of anything. Like · Reply · 10 hrs
John S. Rogers Jr.Great video! Thanks. But hey, I thought Diversity Is Our Strength. Doesn't seem to be the case. Huge division amongst these people. Like · Reply · 10 hrs
D K has a good point that the producers dropped the ball by only having white comics on to talk about it... I like David Spade but he was pretty quiet and clearly it was his seat that needed some color in it... Sarah had to be there and it's Bill's show... sorry Dave. Like · Reply · 10 hrs
John S. Rogers Jr.Everyone needs to watch/listen to some classic Pryor at this point to reset their comedy meters. And watch his script for the film Blazing Saddles. Like · 9 hrs
John S. Rogers Jr.Shouldn't the rule be that there are no limits for comedians? If you start regulating what they can joke about you'll find every joke upsets someone. Comics will go silent. Like · 9 hrs
D KAre you saying that if yoy cant make racist jokes then theres nothing funny left? Like · 9 hrs
John S. Rogers Jr.No. Did it come off like that? I'm saying you can't start imposing rules on comics. Comedy quite often gets its laughs from making people uncomfortable, with many subjects. Should comedy only be comfortable...? That would be boring, no? Unlike · 1 · 9 hrs
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Mel BlossomI could write a dissertation on everything the people in these articles are saying! smile emoticon Totally cool their trying to make the world a more equal place but their being demeaning too and not as a joke... that's worse.
Lets take this point because it's pretty blatantly trying to address where the lines are in comedy...
"But it's a JOOOOOKE." Here's the thing about jokes. They only work when they're aiming up."
That is this authors OPINION and taste about comedy not a fact.
"I wrote this in another piece recently, but I'm just going to plagiarize myself: People in positions of power simply cannot make jokes at the expense of the powerless. That's why, at a company party, you never have a roast where the CEO is roasting the janitor ("Isn't it funny how Steve can barely feed his family? This guy knows what I'm talking about!" [points to other janitor])."
This "joke" wouldn't work because it's not a joke. This author really should have asked a comic friend to give her a clue about how to write a joke. There's not CEO's telling jokes about the janitor because they probably don't have a funny story or joke to say about the janitor but if they did... why not say it?
"Because that would be GROSS, and both janitors would have to work late to clean up everyone's barf.
Ok...??? Really everybody would barf? Never seen that happen at a comedy show.
"Open-mic comedians, I know you think you're part of some fresh vanguard in alternative comedy who just discovered that a lot of black ladies don't like it when you touch their hair, but pleeeeeeease just stick to stuff about how your stupid girlfriend is a bitch. (Just kidding. Please never speak again.)"
Wow this author's sensitivity towards others is over whelming. Open micers are people trying to learn a really hard art to master and she thinks they should never speak again? And what's worse she grabs the "Just Kidding" card while she's criticizing comics! So cool when some girl on a PC rant wants to insult somebody and grab the "it's a joke card" but not when a COMIC does??? huh? Get where she's trying to get to but she's doing exactly what she claims to be against.
At least comics get the hypocrisy in what they are doing, why and own it. If people don't want to hear it... don't go to the show, change the channel. Really wish people that get this upset like these authors would go confront a real racist if this means so much to them their willing to try to control and change other people's behavior.... but they won't because a KKK member might kill them... a comic never will. Like · Reply · 7 hrs
D KBut its all interconnected...jokes, culture, famous white comedians being propped up by other white folks at the expense of people of color. Its a cheap shot and its not profound or smart yet the media (who runs that? More white people) have deemed the...See More Like · Reply · 7 hrs
John S. Rogers Jr.Best thing to do is embrace true equality: banish the words white, black etc from your vocabulary. We're all one race, the Human Race. Stop using those words and see how much more pleasant life can be. Like · 7 hrs
Mel BlossomI know what your saying John but I don't think it's possible ... yet... at some point I think we'll evolve to not using words at all and just be able to feel what we're thinking and feeling. But we aren't there and in the meantime there's a process inv...See More Like · 7 hrs
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Mel BlossomTotally with you that Hollywood is racist and needs to change. There are warnings. This show is called Politically Incorrect.... that should cue in most people. There are ratings on shows. There are warnings on most club bills... I put one on my last s...See More Like · Reply · 1 · 7 hrs
John S. Rogers Jr.Hollywood made "Django Unchained". All about killing Whites. The star made jokes about that on SNL in his opening monologue. Look it up. Where's the outrage?